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SR001
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Posted: Wednesday April 2nd, 2008 02:05 pm |
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HI all, I am currently restoring my 997 Cooper, which I intend to use for the occasional road rally. Where as I do not intend to create a works replica, I would like to have a works style dash. Having spent many hours trawling through numerous book's and magazine articles, I am struggling to establish what the early dash panels looked like. It appears that once it got to around '64 things stayed pretty much the same. Other than the odd undated photo, the dash of 33 EJB seems to be the only real different option.
Is there anyone out there that could help me identify the basics of the early dash panels, ideally from in and around the 997 era. Photo's would be the ideal. However, It may well be a case that I have seen it and not realised.
Any help would be appreciated
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Mk 3 S Meister
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Posted: Wednesday April 2nd, 2008 07:26 pm |
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That will something like this then 
At least you'll have somewhere to put your handbag! 
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hanlminiman
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Posted: Wednesday April 2nd, 2008 07:56 pm |
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Bit scary for the navigator being able to see the speedo!
Where did that photo come from?
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Mk 3 S Meister
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Posted: Thursday April 3rd, 2008 08:47 am |
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| That was on eBay recently but it is a BMC photograph.
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AMS
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Posted: Thursday April 3rd, 2008 01:35 pm |
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737 ABL on the Monte in '62 had a very basic dash with a small plate screwed onto the dash in front of the driver for a Speedwell rev counter. There was also a plate mounted under the ignition switch that carried a number of ancillary switches etc, similar if not the same as the one in the photo from Simon. The passenger had a small panel, nothing like the panel you see in later works cars. This had only just enough room for a couple of stop watches, a light socket and pea lights. Last edited on Thursday April 3rd, 2008 01:36 pm by AMS |
SR001
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Posted: Thursday April 3rd, 2008 01:50 pm |
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Thank you chaps.
I am assuming that the early Coopers followed a similar line to the 850's then, where simple bracketry was the order of the day. Later developing into what I would consider the convention, as more gauges/switches were added.
I think I would go for a large bag of sweets over the handbag though!
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timo_grx555d
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Posted: Friday April 4th, 2008 07:20 am |
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| For example, like this? Attachment: copit.jpg (Downloaded 260 times)
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AMS
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Posted: Friday April 4th, 2008 08:42 am |
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Close to that picture, but the rev counter was secured from the bottom rail, the switches were under the ignition switch etc and the navigators panel was a little more complete.
Still plenty of room for the handbag or sweets.
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hanlminiman
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Posted: Friday April 4th, 2008 05:55 pm |
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I've never seen the picture before and find it very interesting. Is the instrument above the time clocks a speedo with both distance and trip meter for the co-driver?
If it is, was the central speedo disconnected?
Last question, if it is a speedo with a trip, which BMC car did it come from?
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SR001
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Posted: Friday April 4th, 2008 08:04 pm |
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hanlminiman wrote: If it is, was the central speedo disconnected?
Last question, if it is a speedo with a trip, which BMC car did it come from?
I believe that the other speedo was connected to the back wheel to help remove the effects of wheel spin, where it originates from though, I ave no idea. It looks like te original center speedo, which will be connected, has a seprate trip too.
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dgear1984
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Posted: Wednesday April 23rd, 2008 06:52 pm |
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does anyone have any good pictures of the later (67??)
trying to locate and name all the switches and gauges but the photos i have found are not quite good enough to read any writing.
also has anyone got any pictures of a works speedo. i believe they were differnt to normal and have trips added into them? correct.
what steering wheels did they use. i know they are 0 dish but are they mountney?
anyother useful help with the dash/interior of the works cars would be very handy.
i know there is so much information out there and have been looking up but you cannot beat the power of a forum for help and ideas.
thanks
Last edited on Wednesday April 23rd, 2008 06:53 pm by dgear1984 |
minifreek
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Posted: Monday April 28th, 2008 07:44 am |
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| Here is a picture of lrx 827e works dash Attachment: lrx 827e works dash.jpg (Downloaded 54 times)
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minifreek
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Posted: Monday April 28th, 2008 07:51 am |
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| Oh and I believe the steering wheels on the later 60's Works Minis were black anodised Moto Lita's and I think the earlier works minis like 33 EJB had Les Leston steering wheels. If some one would like to verify that please do.
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dgear1984
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Posted: Tuesday April 29th, 2008 08:29 am |
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thanks that picture helps. does flashers mean to flash the lights or does that mean flashers i.e indicators and they did not use the normal switch?
any pics of the navigators side? and the speedo?
thanks alot dave
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Posted: Tuesday April 29th, 2008 09:53 am |
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| It is a headlamp flasher. The switch stalk is about 5 1/2inches long. I think have a couple of NOS ones. The stalks are chrome plated but comps dept. covered everything with matt black paint! They weren't into concours!
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ka2s4
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Posted: Tuesday April 29th, 2008 10:17 am |
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minorparts wrote:
The comps dept. covered everything with matt black paint
to stop glare.
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dgear1984
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Posted: Tuesday April 29th, 2008 07:09 pm |
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ok cool. how much you looking for?
where the steering wheels 10"?
do people still make the works style cage, people like mini speed only seem to do the more moden style cages with proper diagionals.
ok cigar must have been a 12v socket, wipers did they not use the switch on the centre panel?
what is route card? panel lights must be the speedo and rev lights? such a big switch?
rev/ctr?
thanks
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minifreek
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Posted: Tuesday April 29th, 2008 08:10 pm |
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Hi
The flasher switch was made by WIPAC. They come up on ebay quite regularly.
One just sold 2 days ago for 23.09 pounds it was Item number: 190216289381.
The steering wheels where larger around 13 inches, 10 inches on a rally would be impossible to hold.
The very early works cages were very simply and used John Ally roll bar brackets
You could probably have a roll bar made at a fad shop if they have a proper pipe bender that maintains the diameter of the pipe as it is bent (the old days they filled them with sand before they bent them). Of course these early roll bars are not FIA approved so you would have to check with your rally club if you can use this type of classic set up in you division of Rallying,
The cigar ligthers were made by Casco.
You can find them in older Jaguars or Hillman Super Snipes, Sunbeam Alpines, (Rootes Group cars)
There are replicas made by TEX, some of them have the lighted ring but that would not be original.
They had a small bake lite brown/black handle. There were generally two in the Works minis one for each person. Some of the drivers/navigators smoked.
On some Works Minis there were 2 wiper switches (two stage Lucas for the 2 speed wiper motor from Triumph cars like a Spitfire) one for each person as well as 2 spung LUCAS switches (from Jaguars) for the LUCAS screen jet washer bottle (also from Jaguars or Triumph TR6s) that you would find in the Navigators foot well. You would find the switches on the navigators side in his door map poket panel. Again this was for conviniance if the navigator was sleeping or in harder stages where the navigator had to operate the wipers etc.
A root card was a small card with the pace notes of the root put infront of the driver for the longer parts of the older rallys like the Monte Carlo. This was so the Navigator could take a nap while they were still going. You can buy those from John at Small Car in the UK his Ebay identity is jk1293 , he has a great number of Works Mini items made and he sells on ebay or contact him through ebay and he will send you a list of all the items he makes as well as the cost. He is one of the best sources around.
The panel light are a Lucas Panel dimmer switches (early MGBs) this was to dim the glare of the light from the rev counter and other guages for night stages not to effect the driver so he could see the road better. The other switch for the route card holder was for small lights that are a little harder to find often refered to a "P" lights. These are the lights that you see on either side of the route card holder and above the stop watches on the navigators dash. very difficult to find the correct ones. I will post another picture after this.
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minifreek
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Posted: Tuesday April 29th, 2008 08:10 pm |
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| Here is a LUCAS Screen jet washer bottle Attachment: screenjet washer bottle.jpg (Downloaded 81 times) Last edited on Tuesday April 29th, 2008 08:19 pm by minifreek |
minifreek
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Posted: Tuesday April 29th, 2008 08:21 pm |
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| Here is a route card holder with "P" lights Attachment: route card holder and p lights.jpg (Downloaded 81 times) Last edited on Tuesday April 29th, 2008 08:22 pm by minifreek |
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