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colinandvenie
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Posted: Sunday April 13th, 2008 11:17 pm |
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Alright guys and guyessess. I have had a look on the Newton Commercial site, and can't find the type of material for my car. They don't seem to sell just the material. Does anyone know what mine should be ?? and where to get it ??
All I can see on their site is Grey Fleck.
The car is Almond green with OEW
The interior is Dove Grey with Porcelain Green. Cheers in advance, Colin
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Mk 3 S Meister
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Posted: Sunday April 13th, 2008 11:41 pm |
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Binnacle panels
That would be this then
http://www.newtoncomm.co.uk/cars/mini/product.jsp?ref=474&series=31&type=2
which is available in Dove Grey according to the drop down list.
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Alasdair Brass
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Posted: Monday April 14th, 2008 01:27 am |
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Hi Colin,
My car is Almond green and OEW and the material is more white than the dove grey on the seats. It has quite a grainy appearance and without the moulded "wrinkles" of the Dove Grey on the seats. The colour seems to match the crackle white on the floor of the front parcel tray. I can take a photo, if don't know what it should look like.
When I was looking for sunvisors for my '65 850, they (Newtons) sent me some samples that they didn't show on the website, have you asked them about it?
Regards
Al
Last edited on Monday April 14th, 2008 01:27 am by Alasdair Brass |
colinandvenie
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Posted: Monday April 14th, 2008 07:12 am |
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Thanks guys for the replies. I am after the material, not the full interior. So Al, is it just plain grey ?? and with no wrinkles ?? I have a pic of Chris Whites car, but his has the brockade interior, mine hasn't.
A pic would be much appreciated
Colin
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Glen Ponder
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Posted: Monday April 14th, 2008 08:52 am |
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UK built Almond Green cars will certainly be Porcelain Green/Dove Gray . I have some spare brand new Newton dash panels (either side of the binnacle) plus front and rear parcel shelf if you're interested. The Newton Dove Grey vinyl is spot on. Send me a PM  .
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mk1
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Posted: Monday April 14th, 2008 01:58 pm |
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Sounds like the interior is local spec, not standard UK spec to me.
A phone call to Newton would be well worth it.
M.
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Alasdair Brass
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Posted: Monday April 14th, 2008 07:57 pm |
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Hi Colin and guys,
New Zealand Mini Coopers were either UK assembled or Ozzie assembled and they are quite easy to identify. The material is a little different to my eye than the seat Dove Grey, as pointed out earlier. It seems to be more grainy but that may be due to something as simple as where it came from on the roll. It is perhaps more grey than I thought. My car is quite original and I doubt the parts have ever been out or switched at any time. If anybody would like to post them here, I'll forward them to you.
Colin, I'll take some photos tonight and e-mail them.
Kind regards
Al
Last edited on Monday April 14th, 2008 08:38 pm by Alasdair Brass |
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Posted: Monday April 14th, 2008 10:30 pm |
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What's the latest on the quality of the brocade mk1 trim from Newtons (specifically for powder blue ?). The last thing we discussed on this forum was that they were sourcing a more authentic fabric due to complaints.
D.
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Posted: Monday April 14th, 2008 11:59 pm |
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The good news is that the Porcelain Green / Dove Grey trim is now back to the correct grade vinyl.  I had a set of panels / liners from Newton's recently and it's in the car now , looking dapper . The rear companion box liners were a bit of a squeeze but all in all a great result.
Bad news is they have yet to source correct matching vinyl supplies for Dark Grey, Red, and Powder Blue (not sure what the brocade is like),so it's still the smooth shiny stuff for now but I'm told they're working on it.
As for carpets there's not going to be any good news there I'm afraid, nobody is producing a hessian backed type carpet as per all but the later Mk1's as far as I know. Johnny Newton gave this response..
"We have changed carpet suppliers over the last ten years as the previous company went bust. British manufacturing has moved east in the last few years as you know and taken all the small manufacture companies either with it or they have moved on/gone bust etc.
So yes there would have been a slight colour change. Your right in that the original carpet was more felt and had a different make up to the carpet that we now have manufactured. Simply its a different manufacturing process as the old machines are non existent and they use more modern rolling machines during production.
So we can't offer you the original carpet I'm afraid as you would like it.
Newton's is the most original you can get, unless you can find an original one or decent second hand piece. "
Last edited on Tuesday April 15th, 2008 12:02 am by Glen Ponder |
ka2s4
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Posted: Tuesday April 15th, 2008 05:42 am |
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Alasdair Brass wrote:
Hi Colin and guys,
New Zealand Mini Coopers were either UK assembled or Ozzie assembled and they are quite easy to identify. The material is a little different to my eye than the seat Dove Grey, as pointed out earlier. It seems to be more grainy but that may be due to something as simple as where it came from on the roll. It is perhaps more grey than I thought. My car is quite original and I doubt the parts have ever been out or switched at any time. If anybody would like to post them here, I'll forward them to you.
Colin, I'll take some photos tonight and e-mail them.
Kind regards
Al
The seat centers, door cards,fillets, front and rear parcel tray liners,dash cards, rear companion box liners, and rear wheel arch trims were all the same colour.
If the car was 'brocade' then all of these were grey/gold or silver brocade.
If thye car was green or grey, then all of these things were the SAME dove grey vinyl.
Al, If your dash cards and liner are not he same as your (original) seat inserts and door cards, then i would say they have certainly been changed at some point.
Your tray liner is certainly not original, as it is cream crackle
James Bond  Last edited on Tuesday April 15th, 2008 05:54 am by ka2s4 |
Alasdair Brass
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Posted: Thursday April 17th, 2008 01:57 am |
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ka2s4 wrote:
Your tray liner is certainly not original, as it is cream crackle
James Bond
Hi James,
Says who and how can you be certain? What information do you have? Do you think the crackle sunvisors are wrong too?
Regards
Al
Last edited on Thursday April 17th, 2008 02:01 am by Alasdair Brass |
ka2s4
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Posted: Thursday April 17th, 2008 06:39 am |
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Sunvisors, headlining and c post liners are cream crackle.
Have you got a body service parts list for the Mini Cooper?
I have one for minis, and it includes the UK Super (same trim as Cooper)
The s/visors h/lining and c post trims are all listed as pale grey or pale cream (the crackle vinyl was available in either cream or light grey)
No other vinyl parts are listed as pale cream or pale grey.
The liners for the dash and door trims are listed as Dove grey or Gold brocade grey for the super.
The photo at the top of page 31 in John Parnell's book illustrates the correct dash tray liner, and on page 29 on the left you can also see the correct dash liner.
can we have some more consensus on this please?
James Bond.
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Alasdair Brass
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Posted: Thursday April 17th, 2008 08:30 pm |
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Hi James,
Books give us a direction as to what was intended but we should never say never. You know my car well enough, it hasn't been beaten or gone through the tough experiences that some Coopers have and certainly hasn't been apart. It seems to me there is a pretty good chance that crackle liner has been there since the car was built but I can be no more certain of that than you can be that it is incorrect.
I have worked with the motor industry since the sixties and I can quote many a vehicle that differed in some such minor way from the norm. I think you should be very careful when saying "the tray liner is certainly not original", you simply do not have the knowledge to make such a statement. I am happy to offer you the opportunity to look at the evidence and see if you think it has been there forever.
Lastly, my comments are not intended as a defence for a seemingly incorrect part. The car is not a concours car, I don't intend having it judged and I don't care if the liner could be proven incorrect. Many people resent self appointed judges making public statements and I am one of them, refer to your own statement on the other post.
Regards
Al
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Andrew1967
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Posted: Thursday April 17th, 2008 08:58 pm |
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According to my copy of AKD3510, the dash tray liners were either Silver Brocade Grey, Dove Grey or Gold Borcade Grey, whatever that is 
Can't say that I've seen one in the cream crackle finish but as you say Al, never say never. In James Bond's case, never say never again 
Last edited on Thursday April 17th, 2008 08:59 pm by Andrew1967 |
ka2s4
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Posted: Friday April 18th, 2008 03:31 am |
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Just a quick one as i am heading to Nelson for the weekend.
My comment was only blunt like that because you are a mate, and knew that you would take it in the right spirit,
It seems you may be offended by it and i am sorry if it did.
The discussion was on what was correct and factory spec, and you will note that i didn't tell you to change it or anything,
James Bond
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Alasdair Brass
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Posted: Friday April 18th, 2008 03:52 am |
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Hi James,
Hahahahaha, I was not offended and I know that you would not intend me to be.  I do think you need to remember a variation to any specification is possible though, and to say that something is "certainly incorrect" is quite different to saying it isn't normal or not the rule. I needed to remind you that reading a book does not an expert make and a wise man might take into account many other considerations before offering an opinion.
Have a nice trip
Al
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colinandvenie
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Posted: Friday April 18th, 2008 08:54 am |
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Right, I may as well use grey then, sounds about the right trim, cheers guys for the info,
Colin
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ka2s4
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Posted: Sunday April 20th, 2008 10:09 am |
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I thought i had offended you because you said that you resent self appointed judges making public statements.
I certainly don't regard myself as a self appointed judge, but i accept that i did sound like one Sorry.
So you can't prove it has been there since new,
And I can't prove it has been replaced,
That leaves the casting vote to AKD3510, who says it should be Dove Grey 
We had a great time in Nelson, Tanya and I took the 850 and covered 575 miles.
Snuck into the log marshaling area to take this one.Attachment: IMG_7582.JPG (Downloaded 30 times)
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Alasdair Brass
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Posted: Sunday April 20th, 2008 08:51 pm |
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ka2s4 wrote:
I thought i had offended you because you said that you resent self appointed judges making public statements.
I certainly don't regard myself as a self appointed judge, but i accept that i did sound like one Sorry.
That leaves the casting vote to AKD3510, who says it should be Dove Grey
Hi James,
You've completely missed several of my points. There is no need for a vote and no need for the part to be judged for authenticity, few people would care! I also mentioned that parts books do not record every little supply variation.
It has already been established that crackle isn't the usual material for the liner. The only thing that cannot be proved is if it was fitted at the factory, or later for some obscure reason. Incidentally, I've spoken to the previous owner(he bought it in 1970) and he is adamant it wasn't swapped in the time he owned the car. Neither you nor I can really say, one way or the other and it would be nice to leave it at that. 
Anyway, you should be working on that lovely little car, not sitting at the computer
Regards
Al
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colinandvenie
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Posted: Monday April 21st, 2008 03:27 am |
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| Glen Ponder, I sent you a PM. Did you see it ???? Colin
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