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jewel
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Posted: Monday April 7th, 2008 08:38 am |
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ka2s4
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Posted: Monday April 7th, 2008 09:59 am |
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I believe there were a small number of Australian Cooper s cars sold new in NZ as Austins, they were only ever sold as Morris in Australia.
I am not sure if they were badged here or in Australia.
They had the Morris grille and the Austin badges.
Does your car have the vehicle ID plate behind the master cylinders, with the chassis number on it, and also the chassis number stamped next to it, minus prefix?
The body number (approx 500 different from the chassis number) should be stamped on the rad cowl.
This is how an Aussie Mk1 should be, but perhaps there are slight variations for NZ new Austins?
Also some very late Mk1 cars didn't have a vehicle ID plate, as they were phasing them out in readiness for the ADR compliance plate.
I have a friend with An Aussie Austin, i can check how his ID is if you like?
J
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jewel
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Posted: Monday April 7th, 2008 10:27 am |
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ka2s4
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Posted: Monday April 7th, 2008 11:20 am |
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The first 6 months of Mk2 cooper S (June-Dec 1969) had no id plate or compliance plate, just stamps on rad cowl (complete chassis number inc prefix).And car code 2/06 and body number in the drain channel at the back of the bonnet under the foam strip.
After Jan 1970 there should be one of those big ADR (aust design rule) plates too.
In any case the Mk1 chassis prefix is YKG2S2, and the mk2 is YG2S4, so yours is Mk1, but not sure about the C, could this have been damaged?
J
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jewel
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Posted: Tuesday April 8th, 2008 09:29 am |
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minorparts
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Posted: Tuesday April 8th, 2008 01:51 pm |
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| Hi James. Just had a look at my own Australian car here in the UK, just out of interest. I always knew the car number was stamped into the bulkhead as well as on the plate but didn't know about the other number on the rad cowl (still learning every day!). Anyway it IS there - under the rubber and 510 numbers out as you say! One small point that you might be able to shed light on: My car (a 1275S) has a larger oil filter housing than my previous 998 Cooper. I've found no reference to this so wonder if this is Australian spec? The normal English element fits OK but a larger element was originally fitted.
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Alasdair Brass
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Posted: Tuesday April 8th, 2008 09:16 pm |
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Hi guys,
A number of people, some of whom were with Austin dealers back in the 60's, have told me that both Morris and Austin cars sourced from Australia had their car numbers assigned here. Engine and body numbers were factory numbers. Whether they became an Austin or Morris depended on which dealer ordered them from NZMC. I cannot say this is fact as there is no proof but it seems reasonable.
Regards
Al
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ka2s4
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Posted: Wednesday April 9th, 2008 08:05 am |
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jewel wrote:
hi james there is a number under the tag but can't read it alot of paint i think can't see one on the rad panel,were all the mk1s stamped? i looked at mk2 last year with slide windows factory people ordered them like that im told to look like uk 's' and with sum mk1s when parts run out from the uk they they bolted on what they had so one or two had sum odd parts and that happened in the uk from time two time; like sum people ordered cars with dry suspension but they say all oz cooper s had wet?
I have been unable to contact the man with the NZ new Austin Aussie S, however i would say that your C in the chassis prefix should, or would have been a G.
Y stands for Australia
K stands for Morris (the K was deleted in the Mk2, as they were all Morris anyway)
G stands for engine size (1008 - 1399cc)
2S is 2 door sedan
2 is the model number
The number under your tag should be a repeat of your chassis (or car) number from the adjacent plate, like this:
You can see the car number stamped in the bulkhead below the plate, i have also seen it stamped next to the plate.
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ka2s4
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Posted: Wednesday April 9th, 2008 08:12 am |
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Not sure about special order stuff on Aus minis, but i suppose they could have been ordered with dry sus as a special order.
As for doors, I have never heard of a car ordered with English doors from new, but I know a lot of racers put the English doors on for racing, as they were lighter than the Aus ones.
The early CKD Coopers had sliding windows, but the later Cooper, and the S had wind-up ones.
J
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ka2s4
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Posted: Wednesday April 9th, 2008 08:14 am |
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minorparts wrote:
Hi James. Just had a look at my own Australian car here in the UK, just out of interest. I always knew the car number was stamped into the bulkhead as well as on the plate but didn't know about the other number on the rad cowl (still learning every day!). Anyway it IS there - under the rubber and 510 numbers out as you say! One small point that you might be able to shed light on: My car (a 1275S) has a larger oil filter housing than my previous 998 Cooper. I've found no reference to this so wonder if this is Australian spec? The normal English element fits OK but a larger element was originally fitted.
Glad to have helped 
Not sure on oil filter housings, but will check.
J
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ka2s4
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Posted: Wednesday April 9th, 2008 08:19 am |
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Alasdair Brass wrote:
Hi guys,
A number of people, some of whom were with Austin dealers back in the 60's, have told me that both Morris and Austin cars sourced from Australia had their car numbers assigned here. Engine and body numbers were factory numbers. Whether they became an Austin or Morris depended on which dealer ordered them from NZMC. I cannot say this is fact as there is no proof but it seems reasonable.
Regards
Al
I can't see why they would have assigned car numbers here
are you saying they stamped the plate and the bulkhead here?
J
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ka2s4
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Posted: Sunday April 13th, 2008 07:26 am |
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In response to your PM, Here is a photo of a stamping on a rad panel, this is from a mk2, hence this is the CHASSIS number.
The prefix is stamped using 2 separate stamps, and the chassis number uses 4 separate stamps, hence the wobbly arrangement.
The stamping here on a Mk1 would be the BODY NUMBER, it is stamped using the same large stamps (no prefix), and is read from the outside of the car.
J
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ka2s4
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Posted: Monday April 14th, 2008 07:26 am |
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I have some new info on Mk1 Austin Australian cars!
Morris = YKG2S2
Austin = YCG2S2
The K (it stands for Morris) has been replaced with a C for Austin
This tallies with UK cars where KA2S4 is Morris Cooper, and CA2S7 is Austin Cooper.
James
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jewel
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Posted: Monday April 14th, 2008 08:06 am |
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Posted: Saturday April 19th, 2008 11:19 am |
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Some nice detail pics of an Oz Mk1 Cooper S here.......
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=200215561220&rd=1
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minorparts
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Posted: Saturday April 19th, 2008 11:50 am |
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| Well spotted and looks a really good one! It is just the same model as mine - slightly lower chassis number. All the detailing looks the same as mine. As we've discussed before, as well as the wind-up windows, the Australian cars had their own colour schemes and a plain interior more like a UK Super Deluxe. Whether you like that or not depends on personal taste I suppose. I ended up with one because it was the best way at the time of acquiring an original 'S' with no serious rust at a reasonable price.
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Posted: Saturday April 19th, 2008 03:19 pm |
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I think it's a great alternative to a UK built car, maybe a better one , a true Cooper S , loads of character and it's that bit different  ! As you say less likely to have suffered tinworm and cheaper to boot !  Notice the recessed and covered hydro pipes on the underside shot .Last edited on Saturday April 19th, 2008 04:38 pm by Glen Ponder |
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Posted: Saturday April 19th, 2008 03:23 pm |
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| And the headlining fits over the cant rail !?
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Posted: Saturday April 19th, 2008 04:26 pm |
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| Yes, my headlining does, like the Elf/Hornet and the later Minis. I'm a coward so have left mine in rather than disturb it! What is interesting and I assume original (?) is that the headlining material is obviously Australian (ie: quite different to UK cars) but the sunvisors are the same as UK ones, so don't match! The interior mirror is also different to the UK item as are many many small items......
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Posted: Saturday April 19th, 2008 10:27 pm |
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