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GTD
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Posted: Wednesday October 4th, 2006 08:30 am |
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| These faked up cars - does the V5 not give it away, or am I missing something? Is it that the chassis number from a Cooper is being switched over to another vehicle?
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Andrew1967
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Posted: Wednesday October 4th, 2006 02:13 pm |
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Geoff, are you saying there is dishonesty out there 
Yes, the Mini is extremely easy to swap ID's - you only have to look on eBay or any Mini specialist magazine to look at the 'tax exempt' Mk4 Mini's there are about or wind-up window Mini's with 1960's ID's. Some of them are so blatantly obvious that they are a 1990's Mini with a Tax Exempt ID it is untrue!!!
Take a look at the one below. It may have started out life as a Mk1 Cooper but would appear to have been reshelled into a standard Mk1 shell as there are no signs of any boot board brackets and the upper and lower dash rails are body colour. Having said that, a well built replica would have these items fitted. This car could relatively easily be built to full Cooper spec and pre-internet no-one would have known any different.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160037238044&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=006
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GTD
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Posted: Wednesday October 4th, 2006 02:53 pm |
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[Dumb question] What's a boot board bracket[/dq] ????
[url=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170034351975&ssPageName=ADME:L BS:US:14]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170034351975&ssPageName=ADME:LBS:US:14[/url]
How about this one which (apart from being beige) looks ok to an innocent like me?
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GTD
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Posted: Wednesday October 4th, 2006 03:03 pm |
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Failing to do this - there's a beige one on eBay at the moment...!
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GTD
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Posted: Wednesday October 4th, 2006 03:08 pm |
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Andrew1967
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Posted: Wednesday October 4th, 2006 05:31 pm |
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Hi Geoff,
The Cooper looks a pretty honest example to me. The only things I can see that are not original looking is the brake servo, the wiper motor and the reverse rim wheels. Nothing much really then! It's pretty much like my own Mk2 998 Cooper. I quite like the beige/white colour scheme but not as nice as Fiest Yellow/OEW, eh Glen
The bootboard brackets support the plywood bootboard. Check out some pictures of the boot area of other Cooper's and you'll soon see what I am talking about. However, the presence of these does not denote an original car as they are easy to obtain and fit. It really is a minefield to find a 'genuine' car - to be honest, they don't exist after all these years although one did sell in New Zealand a few days ago - see the link supplied by Al Brass on the Mk1 Cooper site.
Andrew
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GTD
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Posted: Friday October 6th, 2006 08:48 am |
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MINI-COOPER-S-1967-1275_W0QQitemZ230034931710QQihZ013QQcategoryZ43123QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Any views on this one?
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Mk 3 S Meister
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Posted: Friday October 6th, 2006 11:10 am |
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| It's hard to tell much from the pictures on the listing. The one of the engine bay (which is normally where things start to go wrong) does not enlarge - I wonder why not? Surely they couldn't be hiding something and why show a picture of a set of wheels that are not part of the sale??
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GTD
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Posted: Friday October 6th, 2006 11:14 am |
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I've asked them for some better pictures 
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Andrew1967
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Posted: Friday October 6th, 2006 05:21 pm |
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This one looks a nice honest example, albeit not an S.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=130033334396&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=003
Andrew
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fyp741c
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Posted: Friday October 6th, 2006 08:26 pm |
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for my two penneth it looks like a nice car
I would check the right hand tank brackets carefully (standard on this car) and of course the thickness of the brake pedal (see earlier post) which I think is slightly thicker on an S
James
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Glen Ponder
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Posted: Friday October 6th, 2006 10:52 pm |
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Well the '67 car looks to be Snowberry ? and is listed as such .Tough to tell from the bright pics (and my bad eyesight) but could be the wrong colour. I'm always underwhelmed by descriptions like that, scant detail and poor pics (floor, trim, boot ? ).
On the other hand the 998 is the perfect ad. Just the pics you want, great floor shots showing this to be an absolute peach of an original car , a very solid looking shell indeed, what a rarity on Ebay (and disturbingly similar to my own mota !). The down side of course is it'll be a little money pit but well worth the expense I'd say for a proper car  .
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Mk 3 S Meister
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Posted: Saturday October 7th, 2006 08:41 am |
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That Surf Blue car is definitely the way to find them.
There was a similar Mk 1 S at the Mini World Show at Sandown Park last year - patina by the spade full however it turned up at MITP this year on the Mini Speed stand. It had undergone the usual Heritage Certificate restoration and had lost every detail that made it even remotely interesting 
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fyp741c
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Posted: Saturday October 7th, 2006 09:49 am |
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I believe in other classic car circles, notably Ferrari, this type resto is called a “California” restoration. Very very shiny but no soul.
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Posted: Saturday October 7th, 2006 11:44 am |
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fyp741c wrote: I believe in other classic car circles, notably Ferrari, this type resto is called a “California” restoration. Very very shiny but no soul.
In my garage lies a very sad mini in faded island blue and white, with an equally dire interior but loads of patina and soul , oh and floor full of holes. I just hope that when we put the new floor in and retrim it with Newton commercial red brocade and spray it with 2-pack tartan red, it doesnt lose any of the old banger charm that it currently has. I suppose I could take it to shows as it is, on the back of a trailer and flog the Cooper V5 on E-Bay. No way, I want my car to look like a brand new one ,just like the Paddy Hopkirk replica 407ARX  and as for E-Bay? No way. Its mine to keep. Steve
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Glen Ponder
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Posted: Monday October 9th, 2006 08:38 pm |
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I think there's two seperate points here.
One, yep folk do tend to go for the boring bog standard 'as it left the factory' spec when restoring nowadays which as Meister points out leads to some very samey looking cars with little to differentiate them, or make them interesting. This is a reaction I reckon to all that modding that went on in the 80's, but as fashions change I'm sure this will come full circle eventually and maybe owners will start adding as many period extras as they can get their hands on, as they did in the 60's ! When owners had fun with their cars !
The other point mentioned is about not re-using original parts in favour of repro.I've seen perfectly good trim cobbed out in favour of Newton in the past ,even with those horrendous front and rear brocade shelf panels all because it wasn't 'perfect' .Well I suppose it's a good way of disposing of unwanted cash, and ridding your car of that unique 60's smell. Depends what you want really. Original trim can still be found in good nik, just takes a bit of effort. (and patience ! )
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Hailthegreatman
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Posted: Tuesday October 10th, 2006 07:53 am |
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Interesting car this, they have promised me more images but to date nothing has arrived.
This S is also on their website http://www.belsayclassiccars.co.uk with a price tag of over £13k
Dread to think what the reserve is!!!
Stuart
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Posted: Tuesday October 10th, 2006 08:34 am |
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Personally I have always favoured the patinated look. I prefer my cars not to look new out of the show room, but to have a look and smell that feels almost like a time warp. As you said Glen, with period fittings where possible. Although as has been said, it is a case of each to their own.
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frogeye
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Posted: Tuesday October 10th, 2006 08:41 am |
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Mk 3 S Meister wrote: There was a similar Mk 1 S at the Mini World Show at Sandown Park last year - patina by the spade full however it turned up at MITP this year on the Mini Speed stand. It had undergone the usual Heritage Certificate restoration and had lost every detail that made it even remotely interesting
Out of interest, what makes you think this was the MiniSpeed car at MITP ?
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Mk 3 S Meister
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Posted: Tuesday October 10th, 2006 10:15 pm |
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| It had the same registration number.
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