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Glen Ponder
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Posted: Friday March 3rd, 2006 09:50 am |
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Looks like an early Cooper shell......?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4615942869&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
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Andrew1967
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Posted: Friday March 3rd, 2006 04:23 pm |
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Hi Glen,
You could be right there. I like the 'tarnish effect' description. Looks like rust to me ??!!
Shell looks quite good but Iwonder how much 'filler' is needed ??!!
Andrew
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Speedhell 1
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Posted: Friday March 3rd, 2006 05:39 pm |
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| Could be a 850 super shell.
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dgear1984
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Posted: Saturday March 11th, 2006 07:13 pm |
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i am looking to buy a mk1 s.
is the Original Mini Cooper & S by JohnParnell as good as it is made out to be.
Does it tell you how to spot a fake. i am worried bout ending up wit one
ive joined the mcr the pther day so hopefully some people will be able to point me in the correct direction.
thanks dave
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Andrew1967
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Posted: Saturday March 11th, 2006 08:49 pm |
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Hi Dave,
Welcome to the MCR - the best place to learn about Coopers & S's!!
Yes, The Bible as I call it, is definately the best book to help identify, buy and restore to original specification all Cooper's and S's. Buy it, read it and digest it though as there are so many allegedly 'genuine' cars out there, especially on eBay. But then there aren't that many totally original cars out there, as many have been raced, crashed, reshelled etc etc.
The only thing I'll say about the Bible is that it's superb for checking for originality but it also makes it easier for those to fake a genuine S by virtue of a pile of parts and an S logbook! I'm in the process of building an S replica that will look spot on, but then I'm not going to pass it off as genuine and sell it.
You will get a lot of help from fellow MCR members in your search for and identifying a genuine car.
Hope this helps
Kind regards
Andrew
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Andrew1967
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Posted: Saturday March 11th, 2006 09:28 pm |
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Couple more cars on eBay to have a look at folks -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4620925484&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
and
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1963-Mk1-AUSTIN-MINI-OLD-ENGLISH-WHITE_W0QQitemZ4621171781QQcategoryZ43123QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Very nice cars but hardly 'original' 
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Glen Ponder
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Posted: Sunday March 12th, 2006 08:42 am |
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Welcome Dave, I'd say if you are looking for a Mk 1 S you'll need the the patience of a saint, and the investigative skills of Sherlock Holmes if you want to find a straight one. As you're a member of the MCR it'd be wise to contact a local member maybe to help you out. The parnell book contains most the info you'll need, though is a lot of info to condense when looking for a car, it's so easy to get carried away when you've got a 'pristine' Cooper S in front of you at over £10,000 !
All depend whether you're bothered about the car being original, ie a continuous history, or whether you're bothered about the car being re-shelled which most are. I'm personally not bothered about the latter, it's up to you and it does affect the asking price.
Most are misdescribed it's sad to say but true non the less.The red Cooper Mk 2 above is a typical example, "near concourse " ?
Hope I haven't put you off Dave  , but it's alot of cash for a Mk1' S', Mk2 and 3's are so much cheaper !
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dgear1984
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Posted: Sunday March 12th, 2006 09:55 am |
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havnt put me off yet.
i agree the mk2 and 3 are cheeper but i would really like a 1 s
i am after a car to restro. for me a reshell is not the end of the world aslong as i can prove it is defenetly a origional s. If a few bits are missing or fitted wrong it does not bother me 2 much cos i can refit them properly when i restore the car just aslong as i know it started it's life as a mk1 s.
where is the best place 2 buy the "bible" is it still in print?
thanks dave
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Andrew1967
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Posted: Sunday March 12th, 2006 10:08 am |
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Hi Dave,
The Mk1 is the ultimate S, that there is no doubt, but I agree with Glen that the Mk2 & 3 are equally as good and trimwise, an awful lot cheaper to restore. A Mk2 would be my second choice as it has proper windows in the doors
Whatever you do, as long as you are happy with it and most of all enjoy driving it, that's what it's all about.
Not sure if the Bible is still in print, but copies turn up on eBay regularly so you could get one from there if necessary.
All the best
Andrew
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dgear1984
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Posted: Sunday March 12th, 2006 10:11 am |
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do mk1 s for restro turn up regulary or r they like rocking horse poo?
i know its abit of a "hows long is a peice of string" but wot sorta price is it possible to get an proper s in need of total restro but is fairly complete with bits. i.e not just a shell?
£2000? or is that a dream?
thanks dave
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Andrew1967
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Posted: Sunday March 12th, 2006 10:26 am |
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They do ocassionally turn up but hens teeth are more common!
Two grand is a sensible price for me and you but if it gets on eBay it'll make more - up to £3K, especially if its complete with the running gear & interior trim . A V5 is worth about £1500, an S engine/box £1000, brocade interior in top condition, up to £1000, speedo £150+, genuine r/h rank £175+, S brakes £200+ .......you get the idea! Unfortunately a lot of S restoration projects get broken up and sold off in their component parts, even the engine will make more split up then complete.
To me, breaking a car just to maximise profit is sacrelidge but then not everyone holds S's in the same regards as I do
I'd say, you'd get one privately for £2k as long as no-one else finds out about it. Snap it up quick but check its originality first.
Andrew
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dgear1984
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Posted: Sunday March 12th, 2006 10:29 am |
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thanks, i will snap it up really quick
hopefully the bible will hope me check it is an origional and not a fake!
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Andrew1967
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Posted: Sunday March 12th, 2006 10:35 am |
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Do you know of such a car then ? I know of one but can't get the owner to sell - I've been trying for 15 years It's a shame as it is going to just rust away.
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dgear1984
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Posted: Sunday March 12th, 2006 10:36 am |
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| unfortinatly not, but as soon as i do i will be parting with that folded paper stuff
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Andrew1967
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Posted: Sunday March 12th, 2006 11:01 am |
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Good luck in your quest Dave.
If you find twins, be sure to let me know
Andrew
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Glen Ponder
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Posted: Sunday March 12th, 2006 04:24 pm |
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If you find a Mk 1 'S' resto project boys for anything like £2000 I'll have ten !
If you find a Mk 1 'S' project at all that's not just a patchy 850 shell , a few 'S' bits and a log book it's your lucky day. 
If it's a complete pukka car for resto then it's Christmas, and if that car is anything like two to three grand I'll run up and down my street naked.
You said it yourself Andrew, you can easily break a pukka 'S' for over £5000 so why would it sell for £2-3000 ? Just curious...
I always think if you scrimp in the short term by buying a very incomplete project you pay in the long term picking all the bits up that are missing or wrong. A log book and shell rebuild must be the most expensive way to restore a Cooper S, costs you a fortune in the long run, and you end up with little more than a replica.
Souped up Mk1 850,Cooper badges, A+ engine , S brakes and Cooper colour scheme is the way to go on a tight budget, honest car too.
Just my opinion lads, been there done that..etc.....
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Andrew1967
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Posted: Sunday March 12th, 2006 05:23 pm |
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Hi Glen,
I agree with what you say in the main.
If you were lucky enough to find someone who does not have internet access etc, then £2-3K is a realisitic figure. Add in the ebay factor though and anything can and does happen. There has been some right crap on eBay which has made silly money. Although there has been one on eBay 2 or 3 times recently that hasn't sold with a starting bid that was lowered to around £2K. It was a 64 1275 with a horrible shell but a rebuilt S lump and interior etc. I thought it was way overpriced. Perhaps I've been living in backwards Norfolk for too long
But then a shell and V5 made £1400+
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4609678512&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
I would like to think that a proper Mini enthusiast who cared about the vehicle would sell it complete for restoration rather than break it just for pure greed. It doesn't happen that often though nowadays, I must admit.
As for the replica route, that's what I'm doing. After all I have got a pukka 998 Cooper and a superb '60 850, so shouldn't be too greedy
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Glen Ponder
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Posted: Sunday March 12th, 2006 06:22 pm |
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The Ebay car you've illustrated there Andy speaks volumes, and is typical of the vast majority of Mk 1 'S' project cars. A scruffy shell, though usually a 'foreign' one and a dubious logbook, nothing else, no history, zip. Probably sold to someone to build a race car or just for the ID itself.
So yes fair enough for £1400 and odd quid, but you rarely ever see complete Mk 1'S's for restoration, that's my point and if one turns up ( I personally haven't seen a straight and complete Mk1 S project on Ebay yet) it's gonna fetch serious money, way in excess of £3000, and rightly so.
I have seen a couple of very straight and complete Mk3 'S' projects on there in the last twelve months, and they both went for around £2000 +.
We may have seen the last of those 'barn find' bargains I'm afraid, simply by virtue of the fact that everyone knows someone with a computer, and so the chances of a car coming up outside of the internet, or a 'glossy' are real slim, plus the fact that there's just not that many left to restore . I remember not that many years ago you could find a Cooper S for restoration in Loot ! A mate of mine bought a genuine ,complete and running 970 'S' for less than £2000 from Loot, albeit the car needed a ground up restoration. Happy days .
Cars like this however do still definately turn up sporadically in the United States as can be seen elsewhere on this board, but they do cost a small fortune to import .
The route you're taking Andy is a great alternative, you can build a nice replica for much less than the price of a real' 'S', ie without an 'S' logbook and using a non 'S' motor with the same power, specially if you find a nicely restored 850 Mk1 to start with like....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4606822174&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
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Andrew1967
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Posted: Sunday March 12th, 2006 07:50 pm |
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There was a nice, original Mk3 S made just under £2k last week Glen, did you see it? It would have made a nice car.
The car in the link is nice - my Mk1 is as nice don't think I'll Cooperise it though I'd post a pic of it on here but can't see how to do it
The Internet is great if you are a seller as you get a national/international audience but if you are a buyer on a small budget, it's really difficult. I like it when I'm selling bits and pieces but hate it when buying Like a lot of things in life now, the 'small man' has no chance!!
Al Brass was telling me that the New Zealand version of eBay has an inbuilt feature to stop 'auction sniping'. What happens is when someone puts in a bid in the dying seconds of the auction, the auction is automatically extended by a few minutes to allow further 'last minute' bidding.
I had the chance of a Mk1 S about 15 years ago for a grand and a Mk3 S for £750. Wished I'd snapped them up, I can tell you!!
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Glen Ponder
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Posted: Sunday March 26th, 2006 08:00 am |
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Wow....a Mini Super !
http://my.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MyeBay&hc=1&CurrentPage=MyeBayWatching&hm=td.s5ddl7436
This car looks untouched and the condition of the original powder blue / grey gold brocade trim tells me the mileage is accurate. Very rare to find one of these as they've all been plundered and pilaged to restore Mk 1 Coopers ! Hope this one isn't stripped which I suspect is what may happen to it.
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